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Asia Argento

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So strange to see you mention good games but put Spacecorps in the second category. The drill sargeant is a perverted rape machine, the stereotype of a “Futa”. Peak of poor trans writing and one of the worst characters on this site. Lol err no. Disagree and that game has Space Forrest Gump as a protag.

Eve is player choice, stinks but you can completely avoid them being trans at all. Isnt that kind against the ideal? Its all just a roll of the dice and not like what trans people say? Their “inner guy/girl” begging to be freed from their prison and its not due to someone’s whim but Eve choosing it themselves? Though i get why, but it defeats the purpose of them going in that path.

Also, if Personal Trainer had any more character stereotypes, my head would spin. Every non white female is a painful stereotype. What a shitshow that is. Jfc
 

FormerlyknownasOlheden

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I think the perfect example of this done right is Nia in Apartment 69. If there was a VN that just focused on Nia, that would be perfect for me.

As it stands there just isn't anything else that even comes close - it's all either exaggerated, unrealistic circumstances or just an afterthought (i.e. the ones where you choose whether the character is trans and there's no background, the model just has the relevant anatomy) .

I think these have potential:
My New Memories
Life Happened

^ Still though, the wider story is quite unrealistic; why has everything got to revolve around a haram.

I just want a VN with some depth, where the primary love interest in trans with a little bit of background.
Nia is one of my absolute favorites as well, when this was updated last she hadn't had mcuh development yet, but it's really been growing by leaps and bounds. I agree with My New Memories as well, we'll se in a few updates if it happens (although I like Killer7s writing so I have a lot of faith in him).
 

FormerlyknownasOlheden

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So strange to see you mention good games but put Spacecorps in the second category. The drill sargeant is a perverted rape machine, the stereotype of a “Futa”. Peak of poor trans writing and one of the worst characters on this site. Lol err no. Disagree and that game has Space Forrest Gump as a protag.
As I remember it, the drill sergeant is a female? No penis in sight whatsoever. Unsure how that is relevant. The only trans character in that game - as far as I know - so far is one of the demons/succubi that MC encounters in hell.
 

Crimsonfiend76

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As I remember it, the drill sergeant is a female? No penis in sight whatsoever. Unsure how that is relevant. The only trans character in that game - as far as I know - so far is one of the demons/succubi that MC encounters in hell.
Last I checked the Drill Sergeant was a rapey lesbian and tries to NTR one of the MC's main LI's from him. No clue why that was brought up as an example.
 

GeometricalTaco

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I'm a trans girl myself, and honestly I still find it really weird that people like me are fetishized, but then again its not like people don't fetishize other odd things as well. I've avoided games with trans content because I assumed that a lot of it would be inconsiderate use of said characters and how they are (and as OP said, there are quite a few games that do do this), but it's nice to see that there are games that take the subject seriously and have built it into characters.
Its also nice to see correct and accurate information being spread (thank you anne o'nymous :) ), which is a nice change.

It is very interesting to see people's opinions on this subject, and thanks OP for such a well laid-out starting post!
 

anne O'nymous

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Its also nice to see correct and accurate information being spread (thank you anne o'nymous :) ), which is a nice change.
You're welcome.
I'll not say that it's a pleasure, because it being common knowledge that don't need to be said would be way better., but I'll volunteer to say it as often as I see it needed.
 

TheMagicalGurl

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*nervously bites my nails thinking I am glad my little VN has been ignored here lol*

I joke...
 

balitz Method

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I don't want to go around saying that there's a right and a wrong way to do it, when you start from that premise you'll usually end up saying that there's only one right way and I've never been okay with a particular (usually unaddressed and unaware) prejudice that many who end up there have against other cultures' depictions of androgyny. Way too often I've seen people pretentiously say that the japanese for instance are 'behind' in their representation and portrayals of trans people and it's like...behind who? You do remember how, less than 10 years ago, western game companies were still aggressively scrubbing away any and all queer characters from japanese games, right?

The way I like to judge these things instead is tone and storytelling choices. Whether the particulars of it align more with trans, futa, otoko no ko, sissy or whatever else what I look for is the erotic theme behind it and the tone it takes first. If it's immediately and visibly about emasculation and the tone is very dehumanizing, sadistic in a way that phrases the state this character is in as some failure of manhood then I'm taken out of it. There have been instances where I felt that was done well, and that's where storytelling choices come in, but what I immediately think of is the generic twine sissy game setup where some porn-addicted self-insert loser gets bullied into acting like a slut.

Even keeping the emasculation theme in play there are much better ways to do that. One of my favorite futa/trap games is Pandora's Forest, and that works by not treating it strictly as emasculation. There's some inherent androgyny in the fact that, like in a violated heroine game, you need to protect the hero's purity/chastity to some extent and corruption is not strictly sluttiness but also some feminine things, such as crossdressing, having different parts of the body 'developed' to be made more sensitive &c. There are both advantages and disadvantages to these things; it's not strictly good or bad to increase them. In other words it's not just phrasing it as having masculine purity taken away from you and being left weak and emasculated, there's a strength in feminine corruption that only results in failure if, in chasing it, you lose yourself to it completely. It's totally possible to make a great game from a theme that I don't usually like.

What I would like to see more of are these interesting, well-developed ideas/themes rather than specific takes on it ("it has to specifically be trans or futa and it has to be fully supportive or totally not gay" or whatever). I won't say I'm not biased against the coddlingly sweet games you might find on itch or the overwhemingly negative ones you can find on TFG, I've seen them go down the same well-worn roads that make me roll my eyes more often than not, but what I want to say is that you can make a supportive-in-tone game that doesn't treat the readers as fragile and harsh-in-tone games that aren't just "now put your dick in a box while stolen porn gifs laugh at you".